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I'm thinking about getting up early on Sunday and heading over to the local Mormon church for their regular 9 am meeting. I won't actually attend the meeting; I'll be the guy outside with the big sign that says "BIGOTS WORSHIP HERE". As far as I know they're not a violent people.

You can do the same! Just go to lds.org and find your local uh... Mormonasium and see what time services are.

Originally posted on pop.vox.com

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cjc
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
It's a cute idea, but it's not like you're going to sway their beliefs.
That's (one of) the problem(s) with issues like this: people who are this scared and bigoted cannot be changed by reason, education, or confrontation.

It really only leaves violence as a viable option. Perhaps you could beat them over the head with your sign? :)
vespa59
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
I know it's not going to sway their beliefs, but they need to know that people aren't going to just take this. Plus, they need to be embarrassed about what they've done.
katethoughts
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
Um, not all Mormons are bigots. Whether or not someone agrees with you, it's wrong to judge their personal choices. How can you ask for better or equal treatment of homosexuality (as you have concerning Prop 8) when you aren't doing it with your treatment of Mormons?

I don't agree at all with Mormons or Mormonism. I think it's a dangerous cult, to be honest...but at the same time I think it's really uncool to claim that they're all bigots. My brother is unfortunately a Mormon, but he, his wife and his family are completely supportive of others choices.
vespa59
Nov. 7th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
Of course I don't believe that all Mormons are bigots. The point of the action is not to truly get the general public to believe that every Mormon is a bigot. The point is to make it very uncomfortable for those who are Mormons to continue to be part of an organization that does, in fact, promote a bigoted agenda. I want people who are members of that church to have to decide: Am I ok with being identified as part of a bigoted organization? If not, shall I attempt to change said organization's course of action, or do I leave the organization?

I'm sorry you don't agree with me, but in my opinion, someone who isn't racist but hangs out four times a week at KKK parties deserves the consequences of their association.
katethoughts
Nov. 7th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
Again, you make a good point that they need to examine how their organization is wrong, but calling the whole lot bigoted just seems as bad as when they look at gays and call all of them evil. How is "an eye for an eye" going to win here? It just seems to me that calling them all bigots is a more successful way to get them all to unite up against gays, not convince them that their ways are wrong. It's fighting hate with hate.
vespa59
Nov. 7th, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
I disagree, and I'm willing to take that risk. I'm not interested in being polite and worrying whether or not the argument is "fair" to everyone involved. That's not how the bigots roll, and that's not how things are going to get changed. I don't want to be part of the struggle for equal rights. I want to be part of the fight. I see nothing wrong with "stooping to their level" if it gets something done because one thing that's been proven to me so far is that taking the high road does not work.
katethoughts
Nov. 7th, 2008 10:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
But why single out the mormons?

I saw the breakdown of the exit polls:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1

I'm seeing a lot of Blacks and Latinos by percentage that voted Yes on Prop 8. Does that mean that you're going to go to the Mission and Hunter's Point and storm about with "Blacks are Bigots" and "Latinos are Bigots" signs?
vespa59
Nov. 7th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Steve, I normally agree with you 100%, but this time I just can't.
You know, I started writing out a response to this, but fuck it. I don't need to justify myself to anyone. I'm going to take some action that I feel is warranted. That's way more than most people who are "outraged" at what's happened can say. If you don't like how I'm treating the poor Mormons, then bring your own sign explaining how it's not their fault.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone expects to get anywhere by doing the right thing and being polite about it. Is that what the other side does? Is that how civil rights battles have been won in the past? Do you know why conservatives laugh at us and call us a bunch of pussies as they bully us around and legislate their religious views on to us?

Maybe a few more petitions and candlelight vigils will show them we mean business.
henrylyne
Nov. 7th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
I don't entirely disagree with your sign, but I think trying to reach mormons might achieve more than trying to harass them. The mormons were persecuted quite a bit, so perhaps you could hold a sign that relates gay discrimination with the discrimination the mormons faced, especially early on in their history.

The PBS documentary has a lot of interesting information: http://www.pbs.org/mormons/
vespa59
Nov. 7th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
Hmm... I like that. Perhaps "Protect REALLY traditional marriage - ban Mormon marriage"
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